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Obama's Call for Reform in Executive Pay is Screwing His Own Constituents

Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:15 AM EST
politics, reform, obama, executive-pay, compensation, socialism, tax-reform, fat-cats, bail-out
By jhawkins Tx
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New York Governor David Paterson was on CNBC this morning discussing his state's budget problems. Until recently, the state of New York has annually paid tens of billions of dollars in federal tax more than it has taken from the federal government. In the past, New York has almost always been a source of revenue for the rest of the country....not a negative drain. His main message was pleading for the populist rhetoric attacking executive bonuses(pay) to stop. By attacking executive pay, the liberals and uninformed people of New York seem to just now be learning a hard lesson. If the "Fat Cat" doesn't get paid, he doesn't get taxed either. The only way they get tax revenue to fund all their welfare programs is to have someone get paid first so that income can be taxed.

Since firms like Goldman Sachs are doing what the uninformed populist crowd has demanded..... and have shifted executive compensation to be in stock and spread out over many years......the populists and US taxpayers are going to reap the cost of their uninformed ranting. Instead of being happy about the results of their ignorant attacks on the capitalist system, the populists are only now realizing that the money saved DOES NOT GO TO THE TAX PAYER.......it stays in the company! The shareholders, the only people who should have had a say in executive compensation in the first place, are benefiting... as well as foreign tax authorities.......The ignorant populists have screwed themselves!

Instead of receiving the revenue from local and state and federal income tax on executive pay and bonuses, the money stays in the company, is taxed at a lower corporate tax rate, and is distributed and taxed by authorities throughout the world wherever the company has operations. Taxed, usually outside the US where its best for the company to "recognize" the compensation savings. The money is flowing elsewhere instead of where the "EVIL GREEDY FAT CAT" lives! Not only is the money no longer paid locally, it is not taxed, and even worse not spent locally.

Crabs in a bucket.....

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jhawkins Tx

Once again, this what happens when there are no adults in the room. Thanks populists....... by not wanting anyone else to get ahead, you just screwed yourself...... you just helped get everyone’s taxes raised to meet state and federal budget shortfalls......

Crabs in a bucket........

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Reply#1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:16 AM EST
eriq samson

Do you fully realize how insane this aryticel is?

You have to allow a rip off to tax it? That logic goes to you have to allow a murder to tax it. you have yo allow slavery to tax it; etc.

This is just flat out insane. Period.

What New York will need to do is fix their broken tax laws that were designed from the beginning to keep big banks in New York by taxing everyone else higher

And, Get a grip. This was just so obviously crazy it begs the question - what else?

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:44 PM EST
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enigma

Incorrect logic across the board. "Fat cats" don't pay the vast amounts you think they do in taxes; some don't pay at all, hiding their money in all sorts of illegal ventures and overseas banks; other that do pay, often pay less than people earning mere fractions of what they do. Don't believe me? Warren Buffet, one of the wealthiest men in the country, paid LESS in taxes that his secretary. The selfish, greedy "fat cats" have destroyed this country and should be cut down without any mercy.

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Reply#2 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:37 AM EST
jhawkins Tx

No...... check you facts and review the interview in CNBC......Warrent Buffet says he paid at a lower RATE than his secretary.....not a lower AMOUNT.

Because of the progressive tax structure in this country, fed and state tax exemptions are given to people to invest in government debt......they do that so the Federal and State Governments get cheaper access to funds......... Buffet, as do most higher income earners keep their money in tax advantaged state an federal bonds and hold stocks........ Also, if you own shares in a company that goes up in value, you don't pay taxes until you sell......Buffet traditionally keeps his money in Berkshire Hathaway stock......he does not sell it.......

Like the facts or not..... the top 10% of income earners pay 68% of the tax that gets paid..... the to 2% pay 30%....check the IRS website for data on money collected.....

The government gets cheap money for social programs..... the individual gets a tax break and fuels rantings of the uninformed.......

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:14 AM EST
janice22

You think the light might finally be starting to come on... maybe just a tiny glow. You'd think people would recognize that ruining businesses is a sure fire way to lower the amount of income tax collected. No business ... no income ... no tax revenue. Duh.

  • 1 vote
Reply#4 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:35 AM EST
jhawkins Tx

I am afraid we will have to wait and see. One of the things my grandfather always told me..... "He never heard of anyone getting a good paying job from a poor man"...... villifying business and the wealthy are only going to drive both somewhere else where the situation is better for both.

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#4.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:19 PM EST
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Boudicea

Perfect example of not thinking things through before you do them.

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Reply#5 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:16 PM EST
paul-662506

your argument is grossly oversimplified. Starting with "the uninformed populist crowd". A sure sign of someone who thinks he knows it all and hasn't a clue.

There is a general acknowledgement is this country that highest level executives are overpaid. Study after study shows almost no correlation between pay and the company's performance.

I also don't "villify business and the wealthy". Another choice of terms that clearly etablishes your biases. For example, I think Steve Jobs, Herb Kelleher, and Ross Perot - all famous for taking almost no salary but mountains of their own company's stock - deserve every dime they get. They created something. And trust me, they pay taxes...just not THIS year. It's deferred until they cash out. I also think Jeff Immelt of GE, who hasn't built anything, is overpaid at $5 - 15 million a year.

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:24 PM EST
jhawkins Tx

paul-662506

your argument is grossly oversimplified. Starting with "the uninformed populist crowd". A sure sign of someone who thinks he knows it all and hasn't a clue.

I would never claim to "know it all"..... I just try to look at the facts and make up my own opinions on issues and not rely on someone else make them for me..... most of the over generalizations are being made by the media who paint corporate management with a broad brush for the compensation practices of a few firms.

But even taking that aside.....if you don't like the compensation package the CEO of a company has negotiated........don't buy the stock or sell it if you own it........ let others who feel differently pay for his perceived greed....... end of story....I don't get why it goes beyond that.... I own Goldman Sachs stock, they pay out 50% to the employees......I knew that when I bought it.....I am happy with the arrangement......they have made a lot of money for me and others who chose to invest in their shares.....

If you don't like Immelt, sell the GE stock.....if you don't own it..... why are you wasting your time caring ? If pay does not assure performance, and that is your opinion, the only invest in companies with low paid CEOs......not something I usually look at but it may be a strategy.

The point of the artical, and what Gov. Patterson was trying to point out that if you don't pay people money, it will not be taxed causes localized short falls. People damning the bonuses are cutting their own throats......

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#6.1 - Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:40 PM EST
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